god...I cant get involved in this. Ive got too strong opinions. Please stop before you force me to slay all of you.

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Creationism is wrong, i think, cuz if there was a god, where was it b4 we were created?
Why did it allow us to evolve, if we were made in the image of this god?

If we were in the image of this god, aren't gods supposed to be perfect beings and then that would hav us not needing to evolve.

Does this being know everything, if the universe if infinite, isn't that impossible, nothing can know everything.

If Evolution is wrong and so is the Big Bang theory, why do many of the themes and ideas of this theory go straight into being right, when we find the evidence?

If we were created in a garden of Eden, why can't we find this garden?

How come many things from the Bible are scientifically not totally true (i.e.-there were many differences in the Bible and reality)?

How come the only main evidence we hav is the Bible, for Creationism, and lots of other things for Evolution?

These are some things for you to think about, if you think Evolution is wrong.

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the bible is a story book, and you can't use it as a recored of history, or even a guide on how a god would want us to act.

if this turns into a discussion of the bible, reason will fly out the window.

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Creationism is wrong, i think, cuz if there was a god, where was it b4 we were created?
Creating us? Doing his own thing? Busy becoming a god? Does it matter?

Why did it allow us to evolve, if we were made in the image of this god?
Why not? He tends to use natural means; why not evolution?

If we were in the image of this god, aren't gods supposed to be perfect beings and then that would hav us not needing to evolve.
Sure, created in the image of god, but do we all look identical? There is room for individual variation. Plus, perfection of mind is at least as important as perfection of body -- our bodies aren't perfect, sure. Just because we have the same form doesn't mean the internals work identically, or that we behave the same.

Does this being know everything, if the universe if infinite, isn't that impossible, nothing can know everything.
Then by that argument possibly not. Me, I figure he knows so much more than me that the distinction is trivial.

If Evolution is wrong and so is the Big Bang theory, why do many of the themes and ideas of this theory go straight into being right, when we find the evidence?
Me, I figure they prolly are. Nothing wrong with God's methods being reverse engineered. After all, we're here to learn.

If we were created in a garden of Eden, why can't we find this garden?
Dude... It's been how many thousands of years? I leave a garden alone for a single year and it looks like a jungle to me -- consider what'd happen after thousands.

How come many things from the Bible are scientifically not totally true (i.e.-there were many differences in the Bible and reality)?
If there are, it's prolly either the fault of the observer, or quite possibly the fault of science not understanding how something could happen. Just because current theory states something is impossible doesn't mean it is. In fact, given such evidence, we may want to be trying to figure out how it did happen rather than denying it . Science advances by questioning assumptions.

How come the only main evidence we hav is the Bible, for Creationism, and lots of other things for Evolution?
You seem to be assuming that they can't both be true. As Alma said, "All things denote there is a god".


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From http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/King_Follett_Discourse .

"... and you might as well take the lives of other false teachers as that of mine, if I am false. If any man is authorized to take away my life because he thinks and says I am a false teacher, then, upon the same principle, we should be justified in taking away the life of every false teacher, and where would be the end of blood? And who would not be the sufferer?

But meddle not with any man for his religion: and all governments ought to permit every man to enjoy his religion unmolested. No man is authorized to take away life in consequence of difference of religion, which all laws and governments ought to tolerate and protect, right or wrong. Every man has a natural, and, in our country, a constitutional right to be a false prophet, as well as a true prophet. If I show, verily, that I have the truth of God, and show that ninety-nine out of every hundred professing religious ministers are false teachers, having no authority, while they pretend to hold the keys of God's kingdom on earth, and was to kill them because they are false teachers, it would deluge the whole world with blood."

Very wise man said that -- let's leave the killing out of it .


lettuce prey:
"if this turns into a discussion of the bible, reason will fly out the window."
You seem to assume the bible can't be discussed reasonably and rationally. Sure there is no proof that God either does or doesn't exist, and that's fine. Rational logical arguments can be constructed based on a few unproven assumptions. Ever hear of Geometry? It's a whole set of rational arguments built out of a few unproven assumptions, called axioms. That it works would suggest they are true, just as that religion tends to work should suggest something similar about its own axioms.

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you're right, i may have over reacted.

i guess that anyone that wants to take the bible literally, is not playing a space based computer game.

so the members of that narrow minded community are PROBABLY not represented hee.

i just get a knee jerk reaction because of all the times i hear someone trying to say how the bible is absolute, and never errors.

and then you ask if people should be stoned to death for working on the sabath, and they tell you that the old testiment said that, and we don't need to do that anymore because we have advanced enough that we don't need to follow that rule.

well it is also the old testiment that tells us that god created the earth in 6 days, and they want to take that word for word.
perhaps we have advanced enough that we don't need to have things explaind in such a childish manner anymore.

but that seems to send some folks into a froth shouting that such thoughts are the work of the evil one and that i need to shut up and not spew such venom that might corrupt the soul of others.

so , yes, i get a little worried when christian want to drag that dusty old book out and tell me how it is a perfect document that is inspired by god to be written and taken word for word as the final and absolute truth.

so it seems that i have been guilty of a little frothing at the mouth myself here, and i apologize for such.

and thank you for pointing it out to me.

"I leave a garden alone for a single year and it looks like a jungle to me "
you have a garden?

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I know what is the reason that universe collapses every time, you see, some civilisation attempts to accelerate a body to the speed of light and it succeeds, it's mass becomes infinite and so universe collapses in an instant because of it's gravity.... ~

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I know what is the reason that universe collapses every time, you see, some civilisation attempts to accelerate a body to the speed of light and it succeeds, it's mass becomes infinite and so universe collapses in an instant because of it's gravity...
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so when god made the universe, she made technology the safety mechanism that keeps us from getting as powerful as her.

how truely wise she is.

That sounds convincing But how do you know that god is a "she"? If we assume that god is female, then there must be male gods as well. Else no point referring to her as "she", unless you mean god's thinking is similar to that of female human

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I loved your post irridayn, agree with most of it.

the killing part was completely sarcastic, but I do have very strong opinions, dont make me mad.

God is God. We cannot comprehend him. Before he created us, there was nothing. NOTHING. We cannot comprehend NOTHING. Try it. It hurts.

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