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Topic started: 06:36:07 10th Jan 2007

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shaphan Posted: 06:36:07 10th Jan 2007

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in another post i have proved the exhistance of god,
in this i will persuade you that its better to beleive in god anyway
this is not a proof so dont pick at the holes in it
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if there is a god and you live as if there isnt, then you go to hell (total loss)

if there is not a god and you live as if there is, then you live like a christian (btw christians are happier then nonchristians anyway) we wil take this as a minor loss despite the brackets.

if there is a god and you live as if there is, then you go to heaven (total gain)

if there is not a god and you live as if there isnt then you gain very little




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Naltsa Abe Posted: 06:48:55 10th Jan 2007

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If you live like there isn't a god, you are not bound to 1500 year old rules that should change with new advances

If you like like a Christain your entire history is tainted in the blood of those who followed there natural human right to believe what they will

If you live like a Christain, then you believe the bible to be true, and throw science out of the window

If all lived like a True Christain humans would never leave the Earth and we would still be in the Dark Ages, when the fear of the church allowed for the massicur of the many in favour of the few

If you follow your own way, and still believe you will be judged after death not before by man, then you are happy, and free!




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shaphan Posted: 07:16:18 10th Jan 2007

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'If you live like there isn't a god, you are not bound to 1500 year old rules that should change with new advances'
'heaven and earrth shall pass away but my words will never pass away' 'the word of god is alive and powerfull'

'If you like like a Christain your entire history is tainted in the blood of those who followed there natural human right to believe what they will'
if you live like a christian you will follow the commands of christ to love your enemies, which doesnt involve shedding blood

'If you live like a Christain, then you believe the bible to be true, and throw science out of the window'
science confirms the bible, see topic 'my signatuere'

'If all lived like a True Christain humans would never leave the Earth and we would still be in the Dark Ages, when the fear of the church allowed for the massicur of the many in favour of the few'
isaac newton who did more for modern science then anyone else in the history of the world wrote more on cristianity then on science as 2:1 ration

'If you follow your own way, and still believe you will be judged after death not before by man, then you are happy, and free!'
'the heart is decietfull above all things and desperatly wicked'
all my quotes are from the bible




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Naltsa Abe Posted: 07:22:53 10th Jan 2007

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the bible is tainted by man




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shaphan Posted: 07:24:15 10th Jan 2007

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the evedence says otherwise, there is no real diff between 98% of the mss of the bible, the other 2% come from one corrupted copy




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Professor Posted: 10:12:30 10th Jan 2007

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Actually, there are a lot of inconsistencies within the bible. However, as a system of guidelines for living life, it is a very useful reference and I also believe it to be a work inspired by deity.

As for benefits of believing in God, there are many. University researchers have found, for example, that a firm belief in God is highly coorelated with personal happiness and with feeling successful in life regardless of worldly views of your success or non-success.

On the other hand, it does not appear to matter much in terms of personal happiness and satisfaction which variation of belief in deity you choose to follow. The statement that Christians are happier than non-Christians is one that is not so easily supported by evidence from scientific research on personal happiness, but it is supportable to say that believers in God are happier than non-believers in God in general.

Final point - believing in God does not mean rejecting science. Many of the greatest scientific researchers of all time have also had firm belief in God. They might not have accepted all of the tenants of a particular religions set of doctrines promoted by a specific church at the time and in the area where they were living, but they did have a firm and solid belief in the existence of and importance of God in their life.




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Hunted Shadow Posted: 10:38:42 10th Jan 2007

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This is Pascal's Gambit, why are you rewriting it here?

Abe, Newton dedicated his work to God... without that we wouldn't have left Earth, so...




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Arcanix Posted: 10:47:54 10th Jan 2007

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Too many lies/mistakes in the bible, too many stuff re-written to fit the same purpose


MinderBinder Posted: 10:58:23 10th Jan 2007

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where is the article where the existence of god was proved? thats a pretty tall claim




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Comodore Posted: 11:05:35 10th Jan 2007

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Think hard and the mechanics that makes out world go around and provides 6 billion of us everything we need.

Think harder about how (despite the combined knowledge of thousand of generations) we have found no such mechanics anywere else in the universe.

According to the generaly accepted theory for the creation of the universe (big bang theory) the whole universe evolved from a single point no larger than a tenis ball.

How could something the size of a tenis ball evolve into something of infinite size?

There simply is no resonable scientific answer to that question (and i doubt there will ever be an answer).

Think about that and you will know god exists.

Note: I am "traditionally" a muslim (although in my country religion is not taken seriously), and i do not consider myself less happier than any christian. Lets also not forget that if it werent for the muslims, who preserved the knowledge of the ancient greeks, egyptians, romans... western europe would have had very little materials to begin the reinessance.

Do not missunderstant me :) i am not insulted by your remark simply because its not true. You simply can not relate religion with happyness.




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MinderBinder Posted: 11:16:47 10th Jan 2007

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...okay I would go with probability. there are bound to be planets with life and its likely each one was so isolated at first that it wondered why me? perhaps some special deity made me. Now you asked why we havent found others. Again I say probability. What are the chances that before even one human has gone to the next planet we are going to find another form of life. Space is pretty big. as for the big bang...gravity is how. Do you believe in black holes? Because they extremely small and continue huge amounts of matter and consistently suck more in.

Dont get me wrong I believe that there is probably something that created the universe. Im just in no position to determine who is right or if anyone is right for that matter.




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