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MageofMaddness Posted: 13:47:24 23rd Aug 2006

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then what does that make my grandparents? Thats my question. I am not arguing that Israel is wholey jewish, I am saying that if you parents were born in Wales tey would be welsh but if a jewish person had kids they would be wat? from the country they were born in? Then why do we call people from Israel Jews and not Israelis?




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Rhyfelwr Posted: 05:50:10 24th Aug 2006

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Jewish is not a country, it is not a nationallity, your grandparents where born in a country, and are of the jewish religion

Religion does not determine where you are from, you can sometimes generalise as to where they probably orginated, but with Jewish you can't cause of a little thing called WW2

There is a large Jewish community in America, They would not take kindly to being called Isreali, some may be but many can trace there orgins to Europe, some could even be coverts

they call them jews because they are not understanding the fact that While America made it a Jewish STATE, Its still a multicultural country




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kiesha Posted: 08:54:01 24th Aug 2006

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Jewish is more than religion, it's the main thing of identity. It controls everything in Jews life, it's a tradition. Judaism is connected with genes (genetical researches have proved that jews are different from surrounding ppl). Jews even have diseases inherited from their ancestry, and people of different nationality or race can not get it.. Usualy when people lose their mother tongue - they lose their identity, nationality, everything, because west cultures are very similar (maybe it's lil bit different in east), they fastly get assimilated (in 3 generations). Jews didn't loose their identity because of Judaism (even if they forgot their native language). Jewish is a separate culture, separate civilisation. All times they lived separately from others, they always have been called strangers, outlandish, coz they lived in their ghettos, communities and didn't mix with others. Jews all times brought their stereotips since Babylonian times, they are good traders, civilisation bringers. In Lithuania they lived as citizens (even most of native Lithuanians didn't know what is city, they were villagers, everybody who enters city accepts it's alien culture, language and looses identity) since 14th century bringing western culture, arts, everything, Vilnius today is even often called the North Jerusalem, but their community was never called Lithuanians, their nationality and identity after 600 year is still different although they speak Lithuanian or Polish or Belarusian.




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