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Topic Title: USE OF OTHER ACCOUNTS NOT ALLOWED (Simple Topic)

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Topic started: 17:55:05 21st Jan 2006

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Professor Posted: 17:55:05 21st Jan 2006

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The use of inactive accounts or other player accounts to give planets to and then harvest from is not permitted. Any use of more than one account by a single player, with or without permission of the other account owner or creator, is not permitted, and is considered multiple account playing by a single person.

Thus far, the coding in the game was not designed to effectively or easily detect this type of cheating. I am still unable to easily determine who gave planets to a player, as this actions of giving planets is not now tracked. However, we are putting in place new cheating detection codes shortly which will allow us as game administrators to detect this type of cheating by use of multiple accounts to benefit a single player.

The giving of planets to another player without receiving some fair payment of resources for the planet sale, and then later harvesting or having those planets given back to the former owner is not permitted.

In the short term, while working on the code to detect these unfair player actions, the game administrators (myself and Iiridayn) will delete or suspend accounts of players who appear to be receiving planets without otherwise actively playing the game, as this type of account is assumed to be used for multiple account activities by a single player.




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GholaBashar Posted: 00:08:53 22nd Jan 2006

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what if we just want to keep people alive - and thus give them planets?




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SmartFox Posted: 00:22:30 22nd Jan 2006

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Hm.. and Phobius and Dinda? They actives ir not? Now they have 12 and 22 planets... So if they some day will be back? Like gogo... Then in those planets will be mil of resources! Exmpl. STIKLINIS is suspended and he never come back...

If you see a cheating and problem to give our enemies planets then I suggest to make accept planets only from clan members... :shrug:




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Moiare Posted: 01:17:02 22nd Jan 2006

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Although I completely understand and agree that this needs to be monitored, as even I had the thought that it could be used in that method, GB does raise a valid point.

During the month of Dec I had a deal with another player to keep their account supplied with planets during a period of inactivity. All planets I gave him were re-named for easy tracking, and payment was made at the end of the period of inactivity based off a % of resources gathered from each planet. I have also been known to give clan members planets when I see that they have been inactive for a period of time and their planet count is dropping, although my activity this month has not permitted that reciently.

Would these actions be considered cheating? If so, I truely appologize.




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Dios Posted: 02:46:42 22nd Jan 2006

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I too have used this form of agreement with players, only without the payment side of it solely to help them stay alive. If you're telling me that doing so to keep clan members alive when they are not going to be able to play the game for a certain amount of time due to real life issues is now going to become a crime of SL then maybe you should just get rid of clans completely.

Clans work together as a team, most clans are almost like a family. Naturally they will try and keep their inactive players alive. Could you tell the difference between doing this and the form of "cheating" that you outline?




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Rukna Baisioji Akis Posted: 03:25:46 22nd Jan 2006

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I'm dissapointed with this topic. Unfair and cheating is the words that do not fit here. Throwing planets to others have many advantages and hoping to find some resources later often brings only dissapointment. I lost many planets in this way, many weak or little-active players benefitted much more getting planets from me than i did. It is probably impossible to find palyers with accepting, that are loging-in and not picking resources themselves or changing gathering or obliting planets. It is not my fault and not their fault that clans do not teach them to make accepting only from clanmembers and do not teach them to oblit unknown systems.

The declaration made was a bit to fast after recent discoveries. There will be many arguments with Professor about the aim of changing owner or getting planets back.
Forbid the actions you dislike by technical means, not by your word.

And if you really considering this as unfair and cheating, Smartfox solution is very reasonable. Would be also a reason of joining clans.




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Bert2 Posted: 07:53:11 22nd Jan 2006

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Yes and he does have a point also. It was a common strat to give planets or ships to people like "nightfrost" (Absolutely inactive) in order to store things like planets and resources. He was one of my bankers for a while. Park a ship and give it to him and have an inactive deep space storage bank for your self. Or if you were over your limit and needed a hand, give him a couple of planets in a broken string and go back for them later if you lost a couple.

If we really wanted to take this away Code it so that after 30 days with no primary acc activity all of that players planets turn Sp and their ships blip into the BZ and the acc goes into the suspended mode. I do not think that this is unreasonable. :shrug:




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Lakamar Sinji Posted: 09:25:42 22nd Jan 2006

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Someone reads my posts! We are not alone! I applaude this clarification that I believe to many was considered outside the spirit of the game.




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SmartFox Posted: 09:47:45 22nd Jan 2006

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Spirit of the game??? :hellno: SL lost that spirit long time ago :P

Maybe should be done code to catch players who using automated probing or smt else? :sly:




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Lakamar Sinji Posted: 09:55:57 22nd Jan 2006

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SF - I understand that this clarificiation will impact many players both in LTC and otherwise.... but I truly believe that the spirit of the rules (and game) were not being followed which is why I raised my concern - it is one thing to help others by giving them planets and quite another to use others accounts to gain personal advantage. Do you agree?




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Pray Posted: 09:58:54 22nd Jan 2006

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But if you toss another player a planet and they are inactive, your intentions should be to keep them alive and not gather resc from it a week later. if your keeping them alive its completely fine. but Dinda is fine, i found his HW i saw it... its large its 100m+ so why on Earth would he need other planets, now if u see some newbie or vet whos hw just got taken, then its reasonable to flip them a planet so they stay alive. but if ur just gonna defeat them a day later and get the resc its pretty much multi cuz ur taking advantage of them for your own benifit...

i disagree with the 30 days thing that bert said because some players go on vacations or get grounded and such and then they come back and all their work is gone. everything. thatll make them ticked off.

I agree with LS

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Also with Dinda and Phobius, its been going on for a long time now, you see them with 12 and 22 planets but look down and u see theyve lost 40 and 42 planets... thats alot for an inactive player, i havent lost that many planets in 3 rounds... and this is in like 2/3 of a round here, so... its not by luck tht ppl are finding them and taking them... its that ppl are abusing them... ppl give them planets and take a week later and they have a good 250k T EACH then multiply that by 34 thats....over 8 mil troops a week PLUS their 50 planets that they have thats at least 18-20 mil troops a week... then theres like alot of players in LTC and they all have like 50 planets so at least 120 mil T a week!! thats insane.




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