well ive just spent the last 24 hours straight with God in a prayer room was the best 24 hours ive had in a month and a half since soul survivor where i was with 15,000 other christians

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ok if reply to interioritys nit picking i will clarify the following
---"each thing has a cause ok?" you just giong to state a rhetorical question or are you gonna back
--- that up with hard evidence?
---and if so then your conclusion 'there must be an uncaused cause.' does not stand.
i will restate this as 'since nothing can cause itself, each thing must have a cause'
---"now science and physics more specificly tell us that there must have been a beginning "
---mmm, no. they dont. if you understood the concept of science you would understand that there is no 'must'
sigh, see newtons laws of thermodynamics for a reason of the nessecity of a beginning
---"i have never met anyone who doesnt know that there is a god " what about me? see he's at it again, making up 'facts' to suit his current argument
now for one thing this is in a different post to my argument, i separated the two for a reason
and it's true, interiority himself hasnt been able to give a reasonable reason as to why there might not be a god, nor have i ever spoken more then a few words on the matter with him
perhaps he is the one in a thousand that truely does not beleive in god, but he would be the first one in that case

interiority, see if you can find any errors in my logical proof of god.
(these french philosophers, lol)

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to answer the remaining objection see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics
allow me to quote the second law
'Second law of thermodynamics
The entropy of an isolated system not at equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value.'
this law was based partly on the work of newton
since the entropy increases to a certain point it must have been lower in the past
the only was this could happen is by order being put into the universe which is an isolated system
the second law of thermodynamics is saying that order always (given time) degenerates
since ultimate order is a possible being there is a limit to the possible age of the universe hence a beginning

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oh and about the french part, i understand that u are french
i was also making a slam at descart and other good french philosophers who thought too much of themselfs
ps excuse my speling

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21:14:15 | Arcanix has been defeated by shaphan.

Some parts of Wikipedia is changed almost asw much as some people changet their socks.

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-Eternal Light "Yeah, You pretty much just "Head F****d me".
-Eternal Light"Ill get training them now your highness"

has noone been able to refute my argument for god?
this means that those who do not believe in god are the fanatics who believe in spite of science

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21:14:15 | Arcanix has been defeated by shaphan.

Science is becoming its own religion, the definition of a religion is as follows...

a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects

still noone even trying to disprove god?

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21:14:15 | Arcanix has been defeated by shaphan.

wats the point in trying to diprove something that has just as good of an argument for it being true neither side can win plus it all comes down to your own opinion on the matter

Besides German philosphers killed God ages ago.

You are proving God with primarily ontological arguments (see http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ontological-arguments/#4) for a very good discussion both for and against these) although I did not really read your posts very closely so you may have other logic in there I missed.

I am a die hard agnostic...maybe God exists, maybe He doesn't, I don't believe proof one way or the other exists...both are a matter of faith, you choose to believe one or the other, or in my case neither.

Although I would be happier with an afterlife than withougt! :-)